Eastport Pram Varnish and Paint

Ok fellow Boat Builders, need some guidance.  So I built the Eastport Pram in Cedarville Michigan 7 years ago and now I want to finish.  She was covered in epoxy then and stored with cover on it inside in Ohio and now outside in Arizona.  No excuses, it is what it is.

I have some additional expoxying to do on the inside...then next steps.

I want to paint the bottom and sides of the boat. Leaning towards varnishing the rest....would consider some combination of paint and varnish inside, eg. paint floor with gripping material or other ideas.

Should I paint first and then varnish or reverse, which is the prudent approach?

I like the photo of the Pram on the CLC sight with girl oaring....has that been stained to look a deeper color?

A big factor for me is I have it in a garage but you know what temperatures are like in Phoenix this time of year...however, there is a window of time in the early morning from 6 am to 10, 1030 I will sand and do other from 80 to 95...thats my limit. 

Any advice about hight temp affects and strategies appreciated.

Thanks, Phoenix

Ps I saw a posting on an Ephinanes product with less sanding, curious about that.


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RE: Eastport Pram Varnish and Paint

Greetings,

I used a grey bilge paint for the inside of my Eastport Nesting Pram.  The reasons for my choice were: (1) the interior had more blemishes than I'd care to look at through varnish; (2) I thought maintenance of a varnished interior might be a pain; (3) water might pool inside the dinghy if left upright or towed, and pooled water can make Interlux Brightsides paint bubble; and (4)...it's a dinghy and apt to take some beatings down the line.  I chose grey because I thought the white alternative might be too bright, but I mixed white and grey of the same product to lighten the grey a bit.  The product I used was TotalBilge from Jamestown Distributors and it went on easy and dried fast.

The below-the-waterline portions of the exterior were painted with an antifouling paint - again a TotalBoat product, while the above-the-waterline panels were painted with Interlux Brightsides.

 

I'm happy with the look, recognizing that it will never be in a living room.

All the best,

Mark

RE: Eastport Pram Varnish and Paint

   A further note...  I varnished the rub strips along the gunwales, the "knees" in the interior corners, and the seats.

Mark

RE: Eastport Pram Varnish and Paint Questions

���Is antifouling paint used for a pram bottom and Marine paint for the sides?

RE: Eastport Pram Varnish and Paint

How you will use the boat totally drives what kind of paint you need to use.  For a boat that will not be continuously in the water for more than a day or two, you are safe using a “topside” paint both inside and out.  Marine enamels and one-part polyurethanes (like Interlux Brightsides) are popular but you can go more expensive with two-part polyurethanes or cheaper with household porch paints.  Most (all?) varnishes are considered topside coatings.  If left continuously in the water too long, these paints will soften and fail.  If you store your boat on a trailer and/or pull it up on the beach at night, a topside paint will be fine 

If the boat will be kept in the water for long periods of time, then you will need a good bottom paint below the water line (you can use topside paint above the waterline).  If the water is saltwater, then it will also have to be anti-fouling.  As the other Mark points out, if the boat is stored upright and there is a chance that water will pool in the interior for long periods of time, then topside paint may fail there also.

You will want to varnish first then paint because anywhere you have overlap, you will just see the paint.  If you reverse the order, the varnish would discolor the paint at the overlap.  You will save yourself a bunch or problems and work if you make sure that your paint and varnish are compatible. 

On the interior floor, a textured finish is a good idea.  Otherwise it will be quite slippery when it gets wet.  Most companies either sell a nonskid paint or have an additive for better traction.

A year ago, I completed my Goat Island Skiff.  On the interior, I used Epifanes Enamel, Epifanes Non-Skid and Epifanes Rapidclear Varnish.  On the exterior, I used Epifanes Mono above the WL and an airboat paint called Wetlander below.  I have used Interlux Brightsides and Interlux Schooner on previous projects so I can make some comparisons.

Both mono paints are thin and prone to run, but with a little care will result in an excellent finish if rolled/tipped.  The enamel is easier to apply and gives thicker coverage but is not as hard/durable as the mono.  If you have a lot of mistakes to hide, enamel may be a better choice.  Overal, I prefer Epifanes because their primer is easier to use than Interlux.      

Rapidclear is a semi-gloss varnish that can be recoated in after five hours without any sanding between coats.  It is very thin and is easy to keep a wet edge when rolling/tipping.  Without a doubt, Schooner can give a much more furniture like finish, but it is harder to apply and is a lot more work.  Using Rapidclear, I was able to varnish the entire boat interior (5 coats) in two days/seven hours labor.  Epifanes also sells a tinted version of the same varnish called Rapidcoat.

My choice of bottom paint was largely driven by abrasion resistance.  Beach landings and rough boat ramps can really chew up normal paints.  Wetlander is a very expensive two-part paint that is very easy to apply and has a reputation of being very tough.  So far it has lived up to the reputation and I would definitely use it again.     

   

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RE: Eastport Pram Varnish and Paint

Mark:

This may be a bit of "scope creep" from where we started (start a new thread, if you think we should), but I'd like to hear more about that Wetlander you used on the bottom of your GIS.  For our PMD, I went with Behr porch paint, which has worked well, generally, and is easy to clean up and touch up.  However, it hasn't stood up as well as I'd hoped to all of the sliding around the bottom gets.

Anywway, I'd like to hear more (what it's like to apply, how much you used, etc), and maybe hear from anyone else here who's had some experience with Wetlander.

.....Michael

 

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