WD12 Hybrid - filling deck gaps/valleys w/ epoxy?

I'm about to put the glass on my WD12 hybrid, and have a couple questions on filling the gaps between strips with thicked epoxy:

- Can I use this mixture to fill some of the low spots between strips? not being a master craftsman, there is not a perfect curvature from center to sides.

- will the thickened epoxy result in discoloration under the glass, or will it blend in with the wood?

- Any concern with how long the epoxy is on (cured?) before applying the glass/resin on the deck?

 

Thanks - I'm getting close to hitting the water!


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RE: WD12 Hybrid - filling deck gaps/valleys w/ epoxy?

Any thickened epoxy will show under a clear finish. I would probably try using a bit of glass as a filler, epoxy it in and sand carefully after about 36 hours when it is still soft enough to sand easily. This will not show.  I have an area where the deck and the bottom came together and it curled in a bit before I got the two halves back together.  I see it but no body else has ever noticed.  

Or if it's only a few places, fill, sand, put a decorative wood cut or design over it and then glass and epoxy. 

You can put a second coat of epoxy on the next day unless it is cool where you are working.  As long as it isn't sticky to touch. Some people have done wetting out, and 2 more coats in 36 hours.   No sanding required except to smooth out drips or feather glass joins.   if it sits for 4 days or so, then you might need to sand lightly for better adhesion.

Ed

RE: WD12 Hybrid - filling deck gaps/valleys w/ epoxy?

Some thouhts:

One way to deal with low spots is to sand the high spots down so that you have a smooth surface. As long as the high spots aren't really high, so that your strips will be too thin, I think that's the way to go. A random orbit sander with 80 grit paper will do the initial job, and then work up to 180 or 220 grit, and if your sanding cedar, it will go pretty quickly. In fact, make sure you don't remove to much wood or create flat spots. Nick recommends using a long flexible fairing sander to remove high spots. You'll be surprised how a little sanding will make those uneven strips look great.

I agree that I wouldn't fill those low spots with resin and filler...that would look pretty ugly, I think.

I just double checked Nick's book, "Building Strip Planked Boats," and on page 151 and the next few pages he covers fill coats.

A good time to apply a fill coat is when a cotton ball sticks to it. This will give you a good chemical bond. With average temperature and slow hardener, that's usually from one to two hours after your first coat. Nick writes that he often does his fill coat the next morning and that way the resin is still green. So You can put on a fill coat (without sanding before hand) up until the time a thumbnail does not make an impression on the resin. After that, you need to do a light sanding to give your fill coat mechanical adhesion. You can use a kitchen scrubber or fine sandpaper, and the point is to just rough up the surface, not to sand everything down.

You'll want a second fill coat to the point that the resin can be sanded smooth without sanding into the glass fiber, which would reduce your strength, but not so much resin that you're adding unnecessary weight.

It's worth reading the MAS web site fiberglass FAQ at:

http://www.masepoxies.com/Epoxy_School_/Tech_Support_FAQ.html

After your final resin coat passes the thumbnail test, you can sand it smooth to 220 or 320 grit level. If you start cutting into glass fiber, you need to recoat with resin. Oh, and use a respirator, gloves, long sleeved shirt, hat, etc. when sanding. You really do not want to breate that stuff or get it embedded in your skin.

After you finish sanding, you'll want to let your resin cure a bit before varnishing. There's a variety of opinion on how long to wait. Note the chart on the MAS FAQ chart on curing. The main influences on curing is temperature and whether you use fast, medium or slow hardener. Given it's late summer, you probably should stick to slow hardener, and that's what CLC ships. With hot summer weather, your resin may be cured in a couple of days.

Get a good spar varnish that has UV protection, which is the reason you varnish. Otherwise, the sun will screw up your fiberglass and resin after a few years. There's lots of thoughts from various builders as to the best varnish. Some people also recommend going to an auto paint shop and getting a clear coat, but that's more expensive.

Avoid sanding your resin in the morning and then varnishing in the heat of the day. The heat will evaporate your resin before it can spread out in to a smooth layer. Better to sand and then varnish in the cool of the morning, between 60 and 80 F. Avoid doing it on a day when there's rain in the forecast. Be patient.

I recommend Nick's book. He covers all this in depth.

Good luck.

 

 

RE: WD12 Hybrid - filling deck gaps/valleys w/ epoxy?

I just read your original message again. If you save your sanding dust, you can take resin, Cell-O-Fill and some of your sanding dust and mix a paste that will match the color of your strips pretty well. You can use this to fill thin gaps between the strips. If the gaps are large, better to cut some slivers and patch the gaps with wood.

The wood filler they provide when mixed with resin may work depending on the color of your wood...but it tends to be too dark.

 

RE: WD12 Hybrid - filling deck gaps/valleys w/ epoxy?

Me again. Sorry. I keep forgetting...there are more than one way to take care of gaps. You can also squeeze them and glue them shut. You can super glue a couple of short strips on either side of the gap, put some glue in and then squeeze them together. Then plane or sand the clamping strips away.

Also, sometimes when your strips are rounding a bend, it looks like there's a gap to be filled, but when you sand down the high spots, you sand down to wehere the strips are glued together so the problem goes away.

Sorry to be so long winded. If I keep doing this, I hope to remember everything the first go around.

Cheers

RE: WD12 Hybrid - filling deck gaps/valleys w/ epoxy?

Fill the gaps with thickened epoxy. They will show but only you will notice them. Ignore the low spots. Even you won't see them later. Don't ask me how I know this. Remember, you are building a boat to use for fun, not a piece of fine furniture. -Wes

RE: WD12 Hybrid - filling deck gaps/valleys w/ epoxy?

Thanks to everyone for your input!

Steve

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