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Here is your challenage if you should accept; I am looking for a way to make recesses for my deck lines. I would like to use the brackets that most composite type yaks use, but would consider other ideas. I have thought about using a core Box bit, but that won't give me any slope on the sides for drainage, same using a dado blade on the table saw. I prefer recess mounts because of less things to get caught on in a self rescue. But need strong lines for the same reason. So get your engineering minds working, sharpen those pencils and give me some ideas. Kev
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Kev, Here's a selection from a quick google for "recessed deck fittings". Click on pictures to go to the websites. Note that the last one is Eric Schade's page where he sells wooden fitting kits for $7.00 each. There are plenty more pages out there, but this should get you started. Google is your friend. Have fun, Laszlo 
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I am thinking you want the entire deck line to be recessed, right? But you do not want the "line groove" to hold water? What Lazlo has showed seems to be very viable answer, as I see the entire line, if recessed, would make it very difficult to use as advertised, unless you put tabs on the lines at several palces between fittings. If that is what you want, I would think a propper router bit with jig to make the groves about 3/4's as deep as the line, along with the recessed fittings and if done before laying glass and epoxy, there wouldn't be a problem of standing water in the grooves as long as you blew them out with air or dried them between outings. It would make a clean appearance.
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I want to thank everyone so far. Talking with Wordsmith has given me some ideas to work with, and Laszlo showed some nice things, but I guess I have not made my self clear. I am looking for a way to make an elongated dish with tapered sides in which I can mount "VCP recess deck fittings" like most composite yaks have. I am not wanting the lines themselves recessed, they would be useless. I work to many water rescues for the triathalons, and swim meets in the area, not to mention guide trips with people in a panic. I need to mount both perimeter rope, and shock cord lines for useage. And I dont want to spend more on them than the cost of the wood I am using to get them (Buying inserts, or the engineering degree to understand what they are saying to make them). And I like these connections because they make changing the lines quick and simple, which is something I have to do often between useage and this FL sun. But keep coming up with ideas guys, we are getting closer. And Yes Laslo, Google is our friend!!!
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Kev how about doing a google search and posting a pic of what you are talking about if not what Lazlo suggested? No one can offer ideas to help if we do not know what you are talking about.
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I'm with Fishbuster on this one... a picture of the PVC line rigging you intend to use will provide a much better way for us to offer suggestions. In the meantime, let me explain what I'm planning. I'm just starting a retrofit of a strip deck on my NorthBay. I never had deck lines on before, though I braided some out of nylon lines and reflective lines that I had intended to install before. Back to my point... I am going to build padeye type line mounts, similar to what I use for my deck bungies. The line will go through the deck at these points, to the underside of the deck. I don't do a lot of rescues, but with some fiberglass reinforcement of the deck at those points the deck should be plenty strong enough to support my needs. YMMV and all that, but I think it will be a cleaner design than extra equipment embedded in the deck. You could also attach the lines to deck beams if you wanted to make sure you had enough strength. Glued and screwed to the shears, that would definitely provide enough support for rescues. FrankP
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Okay Guys, you win. If you log on to my blog here http://kayakkev.wordpress.com/category/clc-posts/ you will see what I am wanting to do
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Hard to tell, Kev, but it looks to me like most of those are just screwed into the hull. If that's the case you could do a cup similar to the Laszlo posted and then just drill fill drill the stays into place. I suspect the ones without visible screws just screw in from the inside. Either way installing should be pretty standard. You can put a gasket on the inside if you want, or better, a silicon sealant or just glass and epoxy behind it if you're sure you never want it to come out again. FrankP
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Another thought, Kev. Looking at your website, you've already created a channel your skeg wire, you could build the same kind of thing for the PVC line holders and you'd have a consistent look throughout your boat. If you do it that way, you can just screw into the wood/epoxy of the channel and never have to worry about the screw going all the way through, so you wouldn't need any (extra) sealant on the inside of the boat. FrankP
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Here are some pics from Wordsmith on how he is doing his, if the pictures dont show, just log into my blog http://kayakkev.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/deckline-idea-from-down-under/
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As kayakkev's posts and responses evolved I realised that I had got hold of the wrong end of the stick - his need was for recessed deck-lines: my solution (not) was for recessed (or concealed) fixing points under the deck! Sorry, kk! But it's nice to see my efforts on the site. Wordsmith
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And the Winner is... Laszlo!!! I tried a variety of ideas (mine & others) And decided to keep it in the Schade family. The yak design is Nick's, and the parts are Eric's. We ordered 14 of them from Shearwater today. So as the winner Sir Laszlo, you have your choice of one of Ogata's cats, or a big thank you from another anxious yakker. That is unless Eric has secretly grown fond of his house guests. Kev
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Don't forget the cats come with 10 dollars instant cash! Paddling around in the Treasure Island, Florida vicinity (Gulf Coast near St. Pete) this week with two CLC boats. Perhaps I'll have some pictures next week. I finally committed to slots with webbing pulled through from inside for my Shearwater 16 deck rigging. Seems to be very strong and is working well so far. These boats really love the ocean. Time to go paddling! -- Ogata (eric)
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Kev, The cats are tempting, but I've already got 2. Glad to have been able to help. Eric's design is pretty elegant, especially seen in person. I'm sure you'll enjoy them. Eric, Christine the Skerry builder, who's posted here, also has a herd of cats. maybe she'd want some of yours. Laszlo
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Well, actually, I only just excaped from my "Home" (The Mews at Happy Bottoms) last week. The cats have taken control of the premises and I have been reduced to servant and Chief Litter Box Cleaner-Outer. It seems more likely that the cats were plotting to eliminate me than the other way round! -- Ogata (eric)
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Hey Eric, I too live in St. Pete., I would love to see your yaks and maybe go for a paddle with you? Ft DeSoto, Bay Pines, or Gandy are some of my favorites. I hope to start laying glass on my Guillemot next tuesday (work comes first) so I will be in a composite (shame on me I know). I am really interested in your webbing, and hatches. Sorry, but my truck isn't big enough to carry any cats. email me at kev_th@yahoo.com and I will give you my phone #
RE: Recessed deck lines
» Submitted by Wordsmith - Mon, February 2 » 5:30 PM
I have the full solution,and will use it on my next build (Shearwater 17) but alas cannot post photos on this site - I simply don't know how to - too old at 69 as the techno revolution has passed me by! If you wish I can mail to you photos of my-mock-ups and components that I'll use (already made as fill-in tasks while at various stages of the current project). Send me your mailing address to lbw@bmail.com.au and I will post some photos and words to you - maybe even a sample of the under-deck mount I've concocted. No scams, no special offers for Viagra, etc., guaranteed - just another interested kayak builder pleased to be able to return the favour of helpful advice received over recent months.
Wordsmith