Wood Duckling 8 - temp forms not the same size as pannels

I'm working on Wood Duckling 8 build out of plans, not from the kit. I found that all the internal forms (both permanent and temp) are a bit off and smaller than corresponding pannels. For example stern temp form is about 1/4 inch or so smaller than side pannel. I checked plans with caliper and ruller - I'm not crazy, internal forms have smaller dimentions than the pannels. should I trim the pannels to match the internal forms? it's easy to do, but impossible to revert. :) I've dry-fit all the pannels together and it looks like "outershell" of the boat is bigger than internal forms. Did anybody run into the same issue or it's just clumsy me?

 

PS: I searched the forum for similar issues, can't find any answers :(


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RE: Wood Duckling 8 - temp forms not the same size as pannels

The temp forms are lower than the side panels so that the deck and hull temp forms do not hit each other when you mate the hull and deck together when tack gluing the boat.

I don't know if there is an issue on the Wood Duck 8 but on the 12 you need to make the forms shorter than the plans on the 10' forms and you need to move the 8' deck form so that it doesn't hit the rear bulkhead.  I built a slightly smaller 8.5' form and used that instead of the 8' form so that I could mate the deck and hull without any forms hitting.  

 

RE: Wood Duckling 8 - temp forms not the same size as pannels

I checked the permenent bulkhead - it's smaller too. so it doesn't mate the deck and there is a gap. :( I wander how all this works on the kit.

RE: Wood Duckling 8 - temp forms not the same size as pannels

I built two Ducklings from plans and didn't have this issue. Have you beveled the panels as indicated in the manual? This will tighten things up about the forms.

Some pictures of your predicament would help.

Good luck,

Patrick

RE: Wood Duckling 8 - temp forms not the same size as pannels

   here is pictures. I just measured the plans. 1/4 inch diff on one measure. So for 2 side pallens it adds up to 1/2. this is a lot.

  I didn't bevel the edges when I test fitted things.Overall the bottom part of the hull is tights, of course, with exception of this 1/2 diff in size :)

 

Here is bulkhead measured for the bottom-side pannel:

 

 

here is corresponding measurment for the pannel:

I wander what do I miss in this? 

RE: Wood Duckling 8 - temp forms not the same size as pannels

Unfortunately the pictures didn't post properly. The bevel will definitely tighten up the fit, and with it your problem may evaporate. It needs to be done anyway, so I'd give it a shot.

Good luck,

Patrick

RE: Wood Duckling 8 - temp forms not the same size as pannels

will do beveling and see if it helps. :)

RE: Wood Duckling 8 - temp forms not the same size as pannels

   I ended up with 1/4" to 1/2" gap above my rear bulkhead.  Filled it with epoxy and wood flour to seal off the rear watertight

RE: Wood Duckling 8 - temp forms not the same size as pannels

Canmore - this is what I observe too.

I beveled all the sides so it did give me some better fit. However I'm still about 1/4 gap between aft bulkhead and deck. I think about trimming some of the wood off the sides. This is going to be interesting.

 

RE: Wood Duckling 8 - temp forms not the same size as pannels

 I departed from the original design by stripping the deck (as with a hybrid kayak), using the temporary forms as guides. Even so, I also found it was difficult to maintain a tight fit between the deck and permanent bulkhead. The deck curves up rather sharply from the bulkhead. The deck resists the abrupt transition and tends to lift off the bulkhead a bit. When it came time to join the deck and hull I placed bricks on the deck at the bulkhead to press it into place, and I used a piece of fiberglass tape to bond them together permanently.

While my build was unorthodox, I would guess that you’re experiencing something similar. Maybe this would work in your case, or you could just fill the gap as Canmore did.

Good luck,

Patrick

  

RE: Wood Duckling 8 - temp forms not the same size as pannels

Bricks + beleving + filling gaps with epoxy - this what I end-up doing on this build. On next build I'll make aft bulkhead 1/4 inch "taller" or probably 1/2 inch just to be on the safe side.

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